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Federal Europe of the Peoples by Silas-Coldwine Federal Europe of the Peoples by Silas-Coldwine
A mapping exercise around a federalized Europe that somehow adopted a maximalist stance regarding stateless nations, independently of current feelings about it. Nothing much to add, besides the Königsberg thing being a joke I introduced because I wanted the continental mass fully covered, and it was impossible to do so as long as Kaliningrad was there. Plus, Immanuel Kant must be avenged.

CRYSTAL CLEAR REMINDER: I made this for fun, and exclusively for fun. At the minimum sight of this turning into a depository of dumb, tedious and migraine-inducing Nationalist duckspeak and hurt feelings, I'll deliver clear signs that I rule my own account as an absolute king, and I cathegorically promise I won't be merciful.

That doesn't mean I don't want negative feedback. Feedback is welcome in my domains. That doesn't mean I don't want the details to be discussed either. I encourage discussion in my domains. Finally, that doesn't mean I discourage people with national pride from expressing their disagreement or their views in the comments section. Far-right views are discouraged in my domains (general right-wing views are not discouraged, though), but I'm a wise ruler who knows the difference. I just DO NOT WELCOME angry Nationalist rants. Keep it civil, keep it sane. Don't make me angry. I'm begging you.
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K9theXV Featured By Owner Mar 18, 2017
Nice map you've got here. Very pretty to look at.

Though it would've been nice to see Karelia as part of this federalized Europe. But I'm sure you have your reasons. I just like the idea of a fully unified Fenno-Scandinavia that Includes an independent Karelia and the Kola Peninsula as an independent Sami state. Yet I'm also in support of Russia keeping St. Petersburg while also returning Finland to it's pre-WW2 borders.

I don't mean to come across as one of those annoying nationalists, just sharing my thoughts. You don't have to change anything if you don't want to. Take care now.
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Silas-Coldwine Featured By Owner Mar 18, 2017
Don't worry, your comments are very different from what I was complaining about :)

Well, I excluded Karelia because I specifically left Russia out of the scheme, just playing with EU members and potential members instead. I skipped that rule for Kaliningrad just because I wanted a unified continental mass with no fissures.

As for returning Finland to its pre-WWII borders, I can tell you that I actually considered doing that. After all, Sápmi penetrates into what is now Russian land. Yet, I decided against it because I understand (yet I'm not 100% sure right now) that the area is fully russified as of now. Mind that many potential irredentist claims are left out in this map because of this: Hungary is a notable example. More than by irredentist claims or past borders, I was guided by present ethnic lines, or what more or less could be considered ethnic lines. As this is not a clear-cut thing, it leaves room for impugnment, though.

I hope that explained my rationale behind it. Still, the main reason I'm leaving the map as it is now is that the saved format makes modifications hard to perform, and I have other projects now. In case of flagrant mistake, I would make an effort, because I'm worryingly perfectionist in that regard. Anyway, thanks for the feedback.
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Fridip Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I like what you did for Austria 😚
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Silas-Coldwine Featured By Owner Mar 17, 2017
I think it's the only country, along with Ireland, that only gains territory.
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grisador Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2017
Nice
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Nekromans Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2017
Lapland probably wouldn't be called Lapland - they refer to themselves as Sámi (and the country as Sápmi) and generally find Lapp to be pejorative.
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Silas-Coldwine Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2017
Good point. I'll change that.
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zalezsky Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Sorbia is a bit misplaced :P but nice map
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Silas-Coldwine Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2017
I know I should have called it Lusatia, but I opted for a direct translation of the Spanish "Sorabia" (you can call the place both Sorabia and Lusacia). I chose unwisely, but I'd better leave it that way.
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UraniumUtopia Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2017
Even if I don't necessarily agree with a federalized Europe, at least with how the EU currently operates, this would probably be one of the better case scenarios for it.  Especially if this federalized Europe is actually run by at least mostly democratically elected officials and not unelected bureaucrats, which is my biggest criticism of the current EU.
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Silas-Coldwine Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2017
Well, if people accepted this readjustment, I would as well, but I think on practice this would be a really bloody accident waiting to happen.

I have my issues with the EU as well, mostly concerning paternalism and technocratic elements. Yet, I hear "unelected bureaucrats" very often and I don't know what that means. Many institutions are a result of indirect election, something very understandable at this level of integration, and that only has a chance to be fixed through greater integration. But the only institution in the EU that is composed of unelected bureaucrats is the ECB. Kudos for the far-leftist declaration of intentions in that regard, which I subscribe, but hardly an exclusively European problem.
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UraniumUtopia Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2017
Yeah, to be honest I just hear a lot of Europeans that I know of talk about that and there explanations as to why the EU was run by unelected bureaucrats seemed to make sense at the time, but I suppose you're right, we have that in the U.S with the heads of the various departments, the Supreme Justices, etc.  I guess I just prefer smaller governments that are more responsive to the populations demands in general, which probably require a small country or a high amount of regionalism, that way there are less conflicting voices tugging the elected regime.  Therefore to me a federalized EU seems like it wouldn't be the best way to do it due to how many conflicting voices there would be.
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Alchetbeachfan Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2017
got to say this pretty good
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Silas-Coldwine Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2017
Glad you liked it! ^_^
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Alchetbeachfan Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2017
you welcome. Just want to comment the more talented:D (Big Grin) 
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LoreC10 Featured By Owner Edited Mar 7, 2017
I think the best solution for Friuli, Veneto and Trentino is to merge in one state, you can call it Triveneto, their flag would probably be Veneto's flag, for historical reasons.
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Silas-Coldwine Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2017
Probably, yes. I just tried to come with as many states as I could, beyond practicality or sense.
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LoreC10 Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2017
I guess you could split Italy into much more unpractical almost senseless states then XD
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Silas-Coldwine Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2017
Yeah, but the idea is that they should have at the very least a precedent in form of proposal, beyond minimum expressions of testimoniality. All in all, I'm not really sure my criteria was all that consistent XD
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Clawfiren Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2017   General Artist
Hombre, yo cambiaría algo el mapa, pero está bien
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Silas-Coldwine Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2017
Igual he sido un poco duro en el mensaje. Va sobre todo por esos que se ponen on fire con temas nacionalistas. Voy a cambiarlo y a aclarar que no significa que no quiera feedback ni que no quiera se discuta cómo está hecho.

¿Qué cambiarías?
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Clawfiren Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2017   General Artist
Bueno, Extremadura y Cantabria las tengo por asturleonesas. Y no lo llames España, llámalo Castilla, que España es todo. Padania la cortaría más al norte (creo).
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Hombre, el extremeño y el cántabro como hablas tienen desde luego elementos asturleoneses, pero ahí he sido conservador y sólo he metido las zonas donde se habla aún el asturleonés de forma consistente, porque una cosa es hablar de unas regiones de ámbito asturleonés, y otra es hablar de una identidad nacional consistente y compartida en torno a todas ellas. Podría haberla habido, o puede llegar a haberla, pero ahora sólo veo con potencial articulador de una posible nación asturleonesa a Asturias propiamente dicha, y principalmente por la buena salud de la lengua. Es el mismo criterio que he seguido en Silesia, por ejemplo.

Padania, en efecto, tiene una versión restringida que llega más al norte (la Padania física), y otra menos restringida que abarca la Toscana (la Padania política). Como aquí sí hay base articuladora, me he permitido el maximalismo que no me he permitido en otras partes.

Finalmente, no he podido llamarlo Castilla en lugar de España, porque aunque hubiera metido a Extremadura en un continuo asturleonés, queda la cuestión de Murcia. No es una nación, pero tampoco es Castilla (y no, no es Andalucía ni de casualidad). Y llamarlo Castilla y Murcia, a lo Serbia y Montenegro, me parecía poco serio.

También ten en cuenta que, por la naturaleza del mapa, no hay una forma objetiva de hacerlo, y hacerlo a gusto de todos es imposible.
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Clawfiren Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2017   General Artist
Ya, si por eso te dije que al final daba igual. Sí, bueno, Murcia es algo raro.
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Silas-Coldwine Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2017
No lo sabes tú bien XD
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darkkark Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2017
Te aseguro que Valencia se independiza sola antes que con Cataluña
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Silas-Coldwine Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2017
Estoy de acuerdo. Siempre he sido muy crítico del pancatalanismo como posibilidad real. A ver, soy murciano, y como tal vivo bastante cerca de la CV. Los valencianos pancas son muy pocos pero, como las meigas, haberlos haylos. Hay que aclarar que aquí no he seguido el criterio de lo que opina la gente de los territorios. Si lo hubiera hecho no habría mapa, vamos. He metido "posibilidades", por así decirlo. Al principio hasta estaba pensando en meter a Valencia por su cuenta, pero entonces tenía que pensar qué hacer con las Baleares, que tienen mucha más identidad insular que colectiva, y ya se me descuadraba el invento. Es que España es bastante más complicada de lo que parece.
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